royal opression ownege

question is about thous two cards


Royal Oppression

Pay 800 Life Points to negate a Special Summon of a monster and/or the effect of a card that Special Summons a monster and destroy it. Both you and your opponent can use this effect as long as this card remains face-up on the field.


and


stardust dragon

You can Tribute this card to negate the activation of a Spell Card, Trap Card, or Effect Monster's effect that destroys a card(s) on the field, and destroy that card. If you negate an effect this way, you can Special Summon this card from your Graveyard during the End Phase.



well there was an argue that royal oppression can or cannot negate stardust because of stardust effect includes special summon...

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Example

player a controls stardust dragon and 2 set spell/trap cards


player b controls 1 face down spell/trap card



player b activate heavy storm
player a uses stardust dragon effect
player b uses royal oppression...

can player b negate stardust dragon effect with royal oppression ??

this argue was made because of stardust dragon has a effect that he can special summon him self...!!!


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this ruling was similar effect with royal oppression and Crystal Abundance ....


Crystal Abundance

Send 4 "Crystal Beast" cards from your Spell & Trap Card Zone to the Graveyard. Send all cards on the field to the Graveyard. Then, Special Summon as many "Crystal Beast" monsters as possible from your Graveyard, up to the number of your opponent's cards that were sent to the Graveyard by this card's effect.

and

Royal Oppression

Pay 800 Life Points to negate a Special Summon of a monster and/or the effect of a card that Special Summons a monster and destroy it. Both you and your opponent can use this effect as long as this card remains face-up on the field.


and ruling for them is that royal oppression can negate Crystal Abundance because of Crystal Abundance includes special summoning a monster!!!


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so what is it can royal oppression negate stardust dragon effect that negates a detraction because its farther effect includes a special summon!!!!

Royal Oppression cannot negate Stardust's effect to negate a destruction effect. It CAN negate though Stardust's special summon because that is what Royal Oppression does. And since Stardust's special summon was negated, Stardust stays in the graveyard.

The logic behind that is Stardust's special summon effect is seperate from the destruction effect. Royal Oppression therefore only can activate when Stardust special summons itself. The effects are two different effects, just printed on one card.

but did u read Crystal Abundance.... it is the same thing ....

because Crystal Abundance has 2 effect two

first send all cards on the field to the graveyard

second special summon that many crystal beast monsters as a number of card u sent from your opponent side of the field....



summoning would happens when royal oppression isn't on the field anymore

but still oppression negates Crystal Abundance activation ....

Okay, see this is what happens. Your opponent activates Stardust's effect. You activate Royal Oppression. Stardust still negates the destruction effect, but oppression will negate the special summon effect of Stardust. With abundance, you activate oppression in response. All cards are removed from the field, but nothing is special summoned because oppression negates the summons


Would be easier to explain if a judge came on and responded

first Crystal Abundance cards cost is sending 4 crystal beast monsters in spell or trap card zone ....


next is effect



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and royal oppression effect is to negate all cards effect that lets to special summon a monster ....

Okay I just looked stuff up. Oppression will negate Stardust's effects entirely.

but it may be a misstiming

because stardust has an optional effect

but the crystal beast spell has forceful effect

mamonga wrote:

but it may be a misstiming

because stardust has an optional effect

but the crystal beast spell has forceful effect

Missed timing could be an explanation as well. Because you might have to negate Stardust twice. Im not a judge, just trying to think like one. What abundance does is you send the beasts to grave as cost, then oppression negates the rest of the effect because it special summons monsters.

i am judging in non official torrnaments just whana know the rullings to be correct
i think it is a mistiming couse it has an optional effeckt

Thats what Im thinking. Because either Oppression does or doesnt work. I keep thinking not because its the effect to destroy something that is activating, since oppression is only for special summons. Next time I am at the tempest games tournament I will ask a judge there.

Oppression can negate Crystal Abundance's effect that special summons, but ONLY that effect. You CANNOT chain oppression to stardust's effect that negates, you MUST activate the effect when stardust special summons itself.

if u negate crystal ambudance with royal oppression than it negates sending cards on the field on both side of the field and special summoning a monster ....
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Royal Oppression

800 Life Points to negate a Special Summon of a monster and/or the effect of a card that Special Summons a monster and destroy it. Both you and your opponent can use this effect as long as this card remains face-up on the field.

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if royal oppression would be able to negate only monster summoning that would be impossible because of crystal ambudace special summons monsters only when cards on the field is sent to the graveyard and since that royal oppression wount be on the field anymore ...


so royal oppression negates all of the crystal ambudance effects because it includes special summoning a monster....


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My bad, I misinterpreted the text. darn cold weather, freezing my the smart in my brain.

see that why we had this large argue in our local because of ambudance can be negated and no one knows if the same think works on optional effects !!!!

OK, we've already clarified that you can oppression Crystal Abundance. What was the other question involving?

If player A activates Heavy Storm and PLayer B activates Stardust's effect to negate it, can player A chain Oppression to negate stardust's effect because stardust's effect includes special summoning. I dont think so because special summoning is a seperate effect, and optional. Oppression needs an absolute I think.

i know somethings not right .....

but since this game rules for so many cards are broken then I really dont know answer for this.....

According to the Wikia "When the effect of "Stardust Dragon" which negates the activation of the effect of a Spell Card/Trap Card/Effect Monster Card is activated, the effect of "Royal Oppression" cannot be activated. To negate the effect of "Stardust Dragon" which Special Summons itself, you must activate the effect of "Royal Oppression" in Chain to that effect of "Stardust Dragon" during the End Phase."

wiki is not the best place where search ruling because you can add them by your self ...
a good place to look ruling is netrep.net but it says the same

they still aren't the official sites for ygo ruling

still tnx

Netrep goes by upperdeck rulings, and the site isn't being maintained anymore, making the yugioh wikia the only decent place to get rulings without having to become a member of something.

anyone can add ruling in wiki... !!

are you an official judge ?

RC-1 Certified.

then i will ask you wtf is going on with ruling

today i lost in the tournament because rulings are wrong
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:Mirror_of_Oaths

You cannot activate “Mirror of Oaths” when your opponent Special Summons from the Extra Deck. Only from the Main Deck
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http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Card_Rulings:G.B._Hunter

While “G.B. Hunter” is in play, you cannot activate effects that would return monsters to the Extra Deck, such as “De-Fusion,” “De-Synchro,” or “Compulsory Evacuation Device” targeting a Fusion or Synchro Monster

check it out its like the same ....

So what exactly happened? did you/someone try to mirror of oaths/ G.B. hunter something from the extra deck?

opponent summoned gyzarus and i could not negate his summon !!

and gb hunter whas just an example of the same satiation and thets the same